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Poison Usually Comes In The Sweetest Fruit

And often it is only those that know the taste that can detect it! Or why Democrats probably will continue to vote for those that only abuse them! Sound strange? Think that it doesn’t make sense? Think again and ask anyone that has been abused why they stay with their abuser!

Do you ever wonder why it is that the person that winds up being the worst person, is often the most attractive, or the most admired and respected, or the most trusted, or the very one that most people would like to think is the nicest person around. Take the person that is abusive to children. If these people showed their true face the first time the children met them, do you really think that these children would choose to stay?

This is where we make a mistake in thinking that those who are voting for Democrats, will wake up and have enough sense to realize that what their leaders are doing, is hurting them. What Democrats are offering right now is still just too pretty. We know that they can’t deliver on their promises. We know that they are driving us to the point of failure as a country.  But what a lot of Democrats still see is the promise, the promise that all their dreams can come true. They have been conditioned over the years to believe.

You don’t believe it? Look at programs like American Idol! These contestants are programed to perform for the ultimate reward of being recognized. Perhaps it won’t be on the national or the world stage, but just being on TV will get that reward that they want, the attention of their family and friends, the justification that they are worthy, that they have meaning. It is the same with sports, these young people start out with the greatest of feeling, love of whatever game, or sport they happen to be playing, and yet, creeping in their dreams is the hope that there will be even more, that they will wind up the star, and they will go on until they reach the top. And then when they get there, the arrogance sets in, and often you will see the message passed on to the children that they meet.

This is the programming that our society has established in order to change the way that our children think and the way those adults who still believe that the world owes them something think. If they didn’t get what they were owed, they become victims in their own minds.

You say, why doesn’t this happen with everyone then. Parents! Church! How they are taught at both these places can and does, change their perception and does not allow them to become victims of a society that would rather have them dependent and needy. A society that is not there to improve the lives of the people, but instead to use the people in order to improve their own lives.  A society that is more interested in making it’s people into slaves which a very insightful book “The Road to Serfdom“, recently pointed out.

Ever wonder why that the abused person doesn’t just get up and leave the situation that they are in? Conditioning! They have been conditioned to think that their abuser loves them, really and truly loves them like no one else can. Or they have been conditioned to think that they really have no other option, that no one else wants them or that there is no where for them to go.  Or they have faced the reality that more than likely they are going to wind up dead whether they leave or stay, and so they choose the way that seems easiest. They are filled with despair, without any real hope for the future and believe that this is the way it has to be. They have also been told over and over again that anybody else is going to be even worse!

You see my friends, this is where Democrats are! Probably a lot of them don’t even realize it. It doesn’t seem that bad.  Or no matter how bad what they are under now seems, the other side is much worse. That, scary as it is, is just the reason that Barack Obama and the Democrats may win.

If we can not convince people that their conditioning is wrong, we may very well lose the next election. You see, it has to be really bad before most people are willing to make the change. They refuse to see the ugliness, just as so many refuse to see the child abuser. They refuse to admit that the actions of those in power are wrong, because they would have to admit that they are the ones that are allowing it to continue.

It is also the very reason that we can expect the nastiest Presidential campaign in the history of this country. They have been conditioning their followers for a long, long, time and it is going to have to get really bad for them to start to wake up, and realize that perhaps they are taking poison, and that if they continue on this path, they may not survive.

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67 responses

  1. Very well said!

    November 29, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    • Thank you my friend, God bless you Ray!

      November 29, 2011 at 5:46 pm

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  3. We were told that there would come a time where good would be called evil, and evil would be seen as good. We are in that tiem now. What else could explain rational, intelligent folks not being able to see, or here, the hypcrosisy that spews from Washington, and our elected officials?

    November 29, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    • That is exactly what seems to be going on doesn’t it. As Steve pointed out in one of his posts, that Liberalism fits the profile of a antichrist. Excellent points my friend!

      November 29, 2011 at 5:48 pm

  4. Dumb. Republican policies destroyed our economy and put us deep in debt. Those policies are legislation and rules changes that can be verified. You can’t cite any legislation written by Democrats that hurt our country because your argument is purely emotional.

    November 29, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    • Ah Ben, so nice to see you again. It has been so long since you stopped by, I was beginning to wonder what happened to you! I agree that Bush and those like him helped along the way, as far as any legislation, the worst is the Healthcare bill, written by Democrats, passed by Democrats, signed by Mr. Obama. If it is emotional to consider a patient as a person and not as a unit, I plead quilty Ben! Look up the post that I put up a couple of days ago, the one where Mark Levin talks to a neurosurgeon about how they will have to treat people 70 and older. Then come back and argue that what the Democrats are doing doesn’t hurt the country and the people in it. Obama has had time to make some improvements. The Democrats have had control of the Senate since 2006. Can’t continue to pass the buck, Ben. I agree that Republicans have failed as well, that is why I stay and will continue to stay, Independent. When they are wrong, I am quite willing to point that out as well. I am sorry Ben, but if you keep defending the policies of Democrats, you are simply saying that you approve of the situation as it is and are willing to take the chance that it will get much worse, I am not!

      November 29, 2011 at 5:59 pm

      • Sigh … Loopy, I surely don’t want to be offensive to your readers, but Ol’ Ben has tunnel vision. All the woes America faces today is the fault of Republicans. He can’t see the forest because of the trees. It’s useless trying to even reason with him … he’ll eventually just get into name-calling as typical liberals and enemies of the United States do.

        December 1, 2011 at 10:15 am

        • No offense Cry, Ben is deliberately choosing not to see. He has already been warned about his behavior, if he refuses to listen, I intend to block his further comments. I refuse to put up with OWS and Alinsky tatics!

          December 1, 2011 at 10:48 am

    • AFVET

      Progressive/Socialist policies put this Country in this position.
      You appear to be just another liberal crank that states nothing concrete to support your argument, while accusing others of having no facts.
      Let’s dismiss the label of the parties and instead use the terms Conservative/Liberal.
      Now, make your point
      I am a conservative that disagreed with most of Bush’s policies.
      Bush was a progressive in a long line of them that have systematically demeaned the Freedoms that the Founding Fathers defined in the Constitution.
      The difference between Bush and Obama is the speed at which Barry the wonder boy is accomplishing his agenda, of course with the help of 45 czars.

      Ben Hoffman, sounds conservative to me.

      November 30, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    • That is so interesting that you would say that Ben. It seems to me that under Obama we are re-living the Carter years. Lets take a look back shall we?

      November 30, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    • Gee Ben, if I didn’t know better it sounds more to me like the Republicans were fighting to Prevent a Financial Meltdown by the (you guessed it) the Democrats:

      November 30, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    • November 30, 2011 at 8:53 pm

  5. Nope, actually, the health care bill helps small businesses provide health insurance for their employees and for the owners. And only small portions of it have actually gone into effect so far. So no, that’s not one you can use to defend the Republicans.

    The Democrats have had control of the Senate since 2006.
    Maybe you should learn how legislation is enacted before spitting out talking points. “Independent” is another word for “low information voter.”

    The Democrats may not be all that great, but it’s the Republicans who are destroying our country. They’re blocking bills that could create jobs and bring down the deficit after they destroyed the economy and drove up the debt. If you vote Republican, you’re voting for the destruction of our country.

    November 29, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    • “If you vote Republican, you’re voting for the destruction of our country.” LOL Ben, are you even in the same country that the rest of us are in? All those bill that the Democrats passed while they were in total control were supposed to stimulate the economy and provide jobs, what happened Ben, did they underestimate the difficulty that we are in? When does the blame the previous administration stop and the taking of responsibility begin? Only when they get what they want? That is pretty sad isn’t it? And awfully childish! Sorry Ben, try all you like, Obama has be President for three years now, and he has failed. Congress was in Democrats hands from 2006 to 2010. and the Senate still is, Republicans are not to blame for everything. Grow a spine my friend and admit that both parties are failures and that it is time that we hold them both accountable. Why in the world would I want to become a member of a party and be pressured to vote the party line. Been there and done that when I was a Democrat, I had sense enough to see which way they were headed and got out. I tried to warn people what was coming, they were so determined that Bush was bad and we needed a change, that they never looked to see what kind of man that they were picking. The blind party affiliation needs to stop and we need to grow some backbone and elect people who represent our values, not just some stupid party that only provides money and help to those that it thinks will give them even more power. It is time to stop with the power grabs and elect people who want to lead not rule. Whatever else you may be Ben, you are not stupid and I hope that you will one day admit that the way things have been going is wrong.

      November 30, 2011 at 12:15 am

      • All those bill that the Democrats passed while they were in total control were supposed to stimulate the economy and provide job

        Aside from the Stimulus, what else were they able to pass?

        Note: the stimulus was 1/3 tax cuts and 1/3 non-discressionary spending for unemployment benefits. The rest was spending on our infrastructure, renewable fuel development, loans for small businesses, etc… that did create millions of jobs.

        November 30, 2011 at 5:59 pm

        • Thank you Ben, I know that you didn’t intend to, but you just made my point.
          “what else were they able to pass?” They were in control of both houses and the Presidency, they could have passed anything they wanted, Why didn’t they?
          The President is on record as saying that the stimulus bill wasn’t designed to create shovel ready jobs, that there is no such thing, but that is what he promised. That tells me that the money was to pay off his friends and contributors, and frankly I would ask you to show me where they jobs are that it created when even he admits that it didn’t!

          November 30, 2011 at 6:14 pm

      • Loopy, it takes more than just control; it takes a super-majority to get anything through the Senate due to the filibuster, and the Democrats only had a super-majority for a few months back in 2009.

        But again, you said “all those bills…” That implies there were many bills, so what were they, or were you lying? And why do you think Republicans are lock-step in blocking everything Democrats try to do? Is it for the good of the country or is it purely political?

        November 30, 2011 at 6:41 pm

        • “Loopy, it takes more than just control; it takes a super-majority to get anything through the Senate due to the filibuster, and the Democrats only had a super-majority for a few months back in 2009.”
          Then the passage of the healthcare bill must have been a myth, Ben, they managed to get that through with a simple majority, by just changing the rules. Are you saying that they couldn’t do it with things less controversial? Or perhaps that they weren’t motivated enough?

          November 30, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    • What bills are those, Ben, the last to budgets passed by the republican house and tabled in the democratic senate. I run a small business and healthcare has completely stalled hiring, along with regulations we can’t afford to comply with, and nearly all capital tied up in the big banks.

      November 30, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    • AFVET

      Well Ben, what do you think about Fannie and Freddie ?
      Can you articulate with any knowledge the role of Barney Frank and Maxine Waters had in continually defending institutions that were dragging down the housing industry, the mortgage industry, the banking industry, while bailing out the institutions and giving huge salaries and bonuses to the very people that ran the organizations into debt that the taxpayer then were forced to bail out.
      Fannie and Freddie is just one glaring dent in your defense of the 2006 congress.
      You appear to be what the Obama administration refers to as a ‘useful idiot’.
      Of course, they only use that term behind closed doors.
      They would never ever offend the precious Obama voter.

      November 30, 2011 at 9:04 pm

    • Why I do declare Ben, how did you ever miss the videos posted above your comment/reply………. shall we just call it ” Willful Ignorance?”

      December 1, 2011 at 1:35 am

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  7. There ain’t much difference between most of the folks in both parties. That being said, I have never heard any politico, except for Nancy Bellapolosi say “you have to vote for it, to see what is in it.” And the federal government has never created a real job, they can’t. If you are able to avoid the rules that private employers have to follow, or just change them as you go, and using public funds, that ain’t a job! Citizens putting their funds on the line, creating a product or service, with the risk of failing, are the true job creators. Get the feds out of the way, and the American people can do amazing things.

    November 30, 2011 at 7:21 am

    • “Get the feds out of the way, and the American people can do amazing things”.
      Amen and amen, you got that right my friend!

      November 30, 2011 at 10:11 am

    • And the federal government has never created a real job, they can’t.

      Are you saying the jobs created by building bridges, highways, roads, schools, libraries, military weapons, satellites, trash collection, space exploration, etc… aren’t real jobs?

      Get the feds out of the way, and the American people can do amazing things.

      The feds got out of the way of the financial sector and the result was the near total collapse of our economy.

      November 30, 2011 at 6:46 pm

      • Tell me Ben, what would have happened if we had let the banks fail? Why didn’t we? That was not capitalism, my friend, that was pure socialism! Sadly both parties supported and went along with it including the majority of both houses and Bush as well as Obama. If those banks had been allowed to fail, someone else would have come in and took over them and either closed them permanently or rebuilt them profitably, then we would not have been out billions of dollars at a time when we really needed the money. Yes, Ben, get the feds out of the way, they are doing stupid things, wasting our treasure, requiring ridiculous standards that are forcing the closure of business, when we just need to get our feet back under us. Tell me one thing that the feds have done to improve the economy Ben, just one?

        November 30, 2011 at 7:01 pm

        • Almost 7 trillion dollars has been printed by the Federal Reserve and sent to bail out banks over seas since 2008!

          November 30, 2011 at 8:07 pm

      • The entire banking system is corrupt, because of politicians, and folks like Soros. It is a world wide racket. Just do some research and see how many people in our governemt, and at the Fed Res, are connected to Goldman/Sachs.

        November 30, 2011 at 8:17 pm

      • Ben, why does Harry Reid sound like a Republican in 06 and a Democrat in 08?

        November 30, 2011 at 8:23 pm

      • Ben, every one of your examples with the sole exception of space exploration were first done by private business, and still could be, more efficiently. The feds wrote ridiculous regulations in the financial sector, which carry the force of law, such as loaning money to people who couldn’t repay it. Fraud has always been against the law.

        November 30, 2011 at 8:52 pm

      • AFVET

        OK Ben,…why did Obama use taxpayer money to bail out Chrysler and General Motors ?
        He wanted to build cars right ?
        Wrong ! He bailed out the UAW, his buddy campaign contributors, and in the mean time screwed the bond holders which was against the law.
        Obama doesn’t give a damn about the Chevy Volt.

        November 30, 2011 at 9:40 pm

      • The repercussions from GM and Chrysler failing would have been catastrophic, especially at a time when unemployment was over 10%. The bailouts prevented us from going into another depression. The banks that were “too big to fail” are now even bigger and Republicans have blocked nearly all efforts to fix the problem they created with their deregulation.

        How you people can defend a party that is so anti-American is beyond me. If you don’t like our country, why don’t you move somewhere else?

        November 30, 2011 at 10:01 pm

      • So tell us Ben, what did you think of Prince Harry Reids 2006 Speech? Hmmm?

        Well Ben, are ya gonna respond or not?

        December 1, 2011 at 1:38 am

  8. Hi Ben Hoffman and nice to meet you my friend. I only have one question for you and it is a question that has had me puzzled for quite some time now.

    How are we going to repay $15 Trillion Dollars?

    November 30, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    • You tell me. Your party created the enormous debt with its tax cuts and unpaid for wars as well as Medicare Part D. You right-wingers are welfare queens who don’t want to have to pay for anything.

      November 30, 2011 at 9:55 pm

      • Republicans=right wingers? I am just a conservative who wants to provide for my family, and does not want a dime from the governemt, nor do I want any type of health care. So tell me who are the welfare queens? Repubs and dems; not more than a dimes worth of differance between the two. Real men don’t ask, or expect help from anyone but God and family.

        November 30, 2011 at 10:01 pm

      • Real men don’t ask, or expect help from anyone but God and family.

        So you want help from some imaginary supernatural being? That’s hilarious! You’re like a little superstitious child who’s afraid of ghosts and monsters under the bed! :)

        November 30, 2011 at 10:03 pm

        • Bottom line is I do not want, or need the federal governemt’s help. Nor do I expect it. You on the other hand are in favor of a governemt that steals the fruit of another man’s labor, and gives it to many who do not earn or produce. You may or may not believe in God, but taking what is not yours is wrong.

          November 30, 2011 at 10:09 pm

      • Yep, and the Democrats managed to blow a cool trillion on a defunct solar panel manufacturer and making electric cars in Finland, just to start with. I’ll gladly pay for what I use, Thank you. What I detest is paying for what you use.

        November 30, 2011 at 10:16 pm

      • AFVET

        No Ben,..forget about the PARTY, the Party is insignificant.
        Lets discuss the ideology, the philosophy.
        Conservative, Liberal, Socialist, Marxist, Communist, Progressive.
        Now, lets see which ideology you most closely adhere to, and why.
        We will be waiting for your response as soon as you determine where you stand.
        “You right-wingers are welfare queens who don’t want to have to pay for anything.”
        I would stop now Ben, you’re making a fool out of yourself on this blog.

        November 30, 2011 at 10:48 pm

      • I would stop now Ben, you’re making a fool out of yourself on this blog.

        No, I believe it is you who is the fool. You lie to defend your party and you lie to criticize Democrats. That makes you unAmerican.

        November 30, 2011 at 11:19 pm

        • UnAmerican, now you go to far Ben, I believe that it was Hillary Clinton who said not long ago that to protest is the most American thing you can do, is she UnAmerican Ben? Or is that reserved just for those who don’t support Barack Obama and the Democrats. I have never called you UnAmerican Ben, even when I disagree totally with you. That I will not ever tolerate my friend. It is a sign of desperation and a sign of defeat to start calling names Ben. This will be your only warning my friend. The people on this blog who have tried to reason with you and answer all your questions are some of the greatest Americans there are, and most of them have fought for this country.Never ever use that word here, my friend or I will not let you continue to comment. If you don’t have and answer you are free to leave at any time. No one forced you to come here. Respect this or stay away.

          December 1, 2011 at 4:01 am

      • AFVET

        You Ben are an amazing individual.
        The complete ignorance of what is happening around you, and the arrogant responses to the people on this thread is appalling.
        Are you really Barney Frank ?
        Perhaps, Maxine Waters in drag ?
        Anyway, you have given us a bit of entertainment, and also enlightenment as to who we are confronting on the intellectual level in the next election cycle.
        We all need intelligence from the enemy to pursue our goals.

        November 30, 2011 at 11:22 pm

      • Yep, and the Democrats managed to blow a cool trillion on a defunct solar panel manufacturer and making electric cars in Finland, just to start with.

        Wow, that’s quite a lie. Did you make that one up yourself?

        If you’re talking about the Stimulus, 1/3 of it was tax cuts to appease a few Republicans, 1/3 was non-discretionary spending for unemployment benefits that was necessary due to Republican policies destroying our economy, and 1/3 for infrastructure spending that created jobs, loans to many companies that created jobs…

        Name one policy put forth by Republicans that would create jobs. You can’t because there are none, ya’ little right-wing sheep.

        November 30, 2011 at 11:26 pm

        • Think Solyndra, Ben! And government needs to get out of the way and let people create jobs, the trouble is that government is determined to get their hands on every business there is and control it from the top down. How can government tell a car company what kind of car to produce and yet never have taken part in the production or selling of a single car? Do you think they know better than people who have done it for years?
          The whole point is we don’t want Republicans to create jobs either Ben, what we want is for government to go back to what it was established to do, the security of this country and helping when the states ask for help, but other than that they really do little to help the people. All they do is control, and power creates contempt Ben. They have contempt for us and we have contempt for them. I would like to have leaders that actually want to serve the people that they said they wanted to serve. I want leaders that realize that the people of this country have more to offer than money that they can put in their pockets while they think they can tell us what to eat, what to drive, what kinds of houses we should live in, how much to give to charity, and that we don’t have sense enough to educate our kids. I don’t want someone telling me that God is not important, if they know nothing of Him. I don’t want someone telling me that it is okay to kill babies in the womb. I don’t want someone starting wars and apologizing for everything that our founders did!

          December 1, 2011 at 3:54 am

      • Why Ben, I see you have not responded to even one of the Video Proofs I posted to substantiate my claims against the Democrats and people like you.

        Why is that Ben?

        Is it hard for you to face reality when it is slapping you in the face?

        Man up Ben and tell us what you think of those video and speeches coming from your own elk and in there own words. I know you Liberals like to ignore the Truth when it is placed right in front of you, but, C’mon Ben, how can you ignore these?

        It also appears you might be an Atheist as you make fun of those who have Faith in God.

        Ben, everyone has Faith in something or someone. You have shown us where you have placed your Faith and so the emptiness of your views are now better understood.

        You can comment and make all the claims you wish but until you substantiate your claims with facts and links to support them I have to say your words are nothing more than a Flea Fart in a Hurricane.

        December 1, 2011 at 1:29 am

      • That’s not an answer Ben. That is a typical liberal response. Answer a question with a question. How Alinski of you but it won’t work here.

        Your out of your league here Ben and it would probably be best for you to just pick up your marbles and go back home to Huffington Post. ;)

        December 1, 2011 at 1:43 am

      • I believe that it was Hillary Clinton who said not long ago that to protest is the most American thing you can do

        Lying is not a legitimate form of protest. By lying about our president, you’re protesting against our democracy, which is unAmerican. You lie to defend Republicans, which is also anti-democracy and unAmerican. Our country is in deep trouble and all you right-wingers do is complain and lie. That is unAmerican in this time of crisis.

        December 1, 2011 at 5:54 am

  9. No Ben, I’m not talking about the stimulus, although some of the funding may have come from there. I’m referring to $546 Billion to Solyndra which is defunct and because of corruption taxpayer money was lost, and I am referring to Fisker which received $529 Billion to produce a $96K electric car in Finland. In my world, where the sky is blue, that add up to $1.075 Trillion. Go, read and study. Incidentally, Solyndra was tuned down in one of the Bush administrations last actions.

    December 1, 2011 at 1:35 am

    • Solyndra didn’t receive $546 billion, you moron. The entire Stimulus was $787 billion.

      December 1, 2011 at 5:50 am

      • We are not about just the stimulus Ben and if you aren’t smart enough admit that, we are wasting our time dealing with you! The point is that this administration is throwing money around left and right, supposedly to create jobs. It is kind of funny, in a sad way, that the money that gets thrown out there to create green jobs, winds up in the hands of Obama’s bundlers, friends, etc., while the business’ go under, such as Solyndra, or the jobs go to other countries, like the car co. that Al Gore started that is building the cars in Finland with money from Obama. While Solyndra was a failure to start with and they were advised it was having problems, and yet they gave our money to it anyway. And here we are, with the employee’s on the unemployment line, and the CEO, Barack’s friend by the way, pocketing millions of dollars. Tell me Ben, were you part of that OWS crowd in Denver? The one even the gov. got tired of and finally shut down? Is that why you are not up to date on the news? Solyndra was even main stream news, Ben! If you are not up to date, why do you bother. Why do you bother, anyway, you know that what this administration is doing is indefensable.

        December 1, 2011 at 10:27 am

      • Maybe you should get up to date, Loopy. The Solyndra loan was part of the Stimulus and just a tiny part. The $528 million loan was a lot of money to most of us, but it’s less than we’re wasting each day in Afghanistan and Iraq spending. And Solyndra didn’t fail because of corruption; it failed because of our insane trade policies.

        You right-wingers have been complaining about the Stimulus for three years now. Obviously, if Obama was that bad, you could find more to complain about.

        December 1, 2011 at 4:24 pm

      • Solar energy makes absolutely no sense.

        Is that why the rest of the world is aggressively pursuing solar power? Solyndra collapsed because it couldn’t compete with China.

        You’re advocating for the U.S. to be a laggard in technology. Some of us would like our country to once again be a leader.

        December 1, 2011 at 6:37 pm

      • AFVET

        BTW, you insinuated above that I was a republican, and throughout the thread, you still refuse to admit what your ideology is, although, we can see it just given the ignorance you so proudly display..
        We would all be curious as to what your you really are,…liberal, Marxist, communist…?
        It doesn’t really matter to us Ben.
        Please try to refrain from the name calling, it makes you appear childish.

        December 1, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    • Ben, I am still waiting for you to respond to my Harry Reid Video. Are you suffering from a case of Willful Ignorance or is that just you method of escaping the Truth?

      December 1, 2011 at 7:56 pm

  10. Hey Ben, I have an Article just for you:

    http://ireporters.wordpress.com/2011/11/27/liberal-outrage-an-issue-of-double-standards/

    December 1, 2011 at 1:52 am

  11. Debating a Liberal #101:

    December 1, 2011 at 1:53 am

  12. And besides, Ben, Policies don’t make jobs; EMPLOYERS make jobs. The best the government and its SNAFU’ed policies can do is: Get out of the way.

    December 1, 2011 at 2:06 am

  13. I will not be called a liar Ben, you don’t believe me, check it out. I was a supporter of her at the time, I remember it well, and it is on video so it shouldn’t be to hard for you to find. Google it! Lying about our president? Where Ben, show us one lie that we have stated. We can back up everything that we have said, if you don’t like the truth, that is your problem friend, and I am sad to say it, but you have the right to live with your head in the sand all you want, but don’t expect the rest of us to do so. We will stand on the rooftops and tell it like it is. That is our right and we will do it! If you think that it is not American to tell the government that they are headed in the wrong direction and to call them out when they are not telling the truth when things are bad, when do you think that it is okay? There is no need if they are doing the right thing is there. Our founders told us that it was our responsibility. If you choose not to use it that is your problem. Are you saying that you never said what Bush was doing was wrong?

    December 1, 2011 at 10:41 am

  14. AFVET

    $528 million is nothing compared to supporting the troops involved in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, however I didn’t see any national threat from Solyndra.
    Solyndra failed because of poor business practices which the Obama administration was clearly warned about, and yet they still gave the company money, the taxpayers money.
    Where is it written in the Constitution that the government can take risks with taxpayer money to bail out a private sector company ?
    Also see GM and Chrysler.
    If Obama wants to bail out his buddies he can do it with his own money, not ours.

    December 1, 2011 at 7:21 pm

  15. Ben, the only way to make the US a laggard in technology is to shackle private enterprise. If solar was practical, even marginally, we would be leading the world. Solar (well, green, anyway) technology manage to screw up Spain’s economy and hasn’t helped ours either. Why do the Chinese pursue it? Because we pay them to. They’ll sell anything fool’s will buy, for a profit, just like anybody else.

    December 1, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    • Is solar practical? The last time I checked, trains,planes, and auotmobiles ran on crude! Talk about creating jobs, Mr. Crude is en fuego in North Dakota!

      December 1, 2011 at 8:11 pm

      • Ben has been banned my friends. There is only so much I am willing to put up with.
        neenergy, I thank you for answering my call, AFVET, my wonderful friend, you are more help than you will ever know, Sami, what can I say, you are always there. Conservative Hill Billy, you are a new friend and I appreciate you help as well, it was amazing to watch the full out flanking of Ben1

        December 1, 2011 at 10:06 pm

  16. I am all for getting into a good battle of ideas. And believe me, I can instigate and agitate the the best of them, but to do it sans logic and facts is, well, just typical of the radical liberal. And thanks for the kind words and warm greetings loopy, I think I just may stay here and sit a spell with you nice kolks.

    December 1, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    • You are most welcome here anytime my friend. It was fun, wasn’t it!

      December 1, 2011 at 11:05 pm

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