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Dhimmitude In The Healthcare Bill(fact or fiction?)

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Thanks to my good friend Popgun for giving me the following information. I apologize to my readers for not doing due diligence on the one. I took what was sent to me as fact when I should have checked it out. I will try to do better from now on. Thank you all, and especially you Popgun.      Hi, Loopyloo;

Check this out:

Also, here:

I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that you are correct, but in this case the facts aren’t quite there. Sorry, I think you’ve been bushwhacked.


This is the post as I originally ran it.

Got this from friends this morning  and am passing it on. I had never heard of it before, but it seems to me as a layman that this is another reason that the healthcare bill signed into law by Barack Obama, is unconstitutional. Showing preference and allowing one religion to be exempt should invalidate the whole concept that all people must purchase healthcare.

Just got this: via Act Springdale

Very interesting

Is this one of the SIGNS of the GREAT CHANGES he has talked about, not many people will find out or want to find this out.Obama used it in the health care bill.

Now isn’t this interesting? It was used in the health care law.

Every day there’s another revelation of what Obama and his fellow Democrats are doing to our country.

Dhimmitude — I had never heard the word until now. Type it into Google and start reading. Pretty interesting. It’s on page 107 of the healthcare bill. I looked this up on Google and yep, it exists.. It is a REAL word.

Word of the Day: Dhimmitude

Dhimmitude is the Muslim system of controlling non-Muslim populations conquered through jihad. Specifically, it is the TAXING of non-Muslims in exchange for tolerating their presence AND as a coercive means of converting conquered remnants to Islam.

ObamaCare allows the establishment of Dhimmitude and Sharia Muslim diktat in the United States . Muslims are specifically exempted from the government mandate to purchase insurance, and also from the penalty tax for being uninsured. Islam considers insurance to be “gambling”, “risk-taking”, and “usury” and is thus banned. Muslims are specifically granted exemption based on this.

How convenient. So I, as a Christian, will have crippling IRS liens placed against all of my assets, including real estate, cattle, and even accounts receivables, and will face hard prison time because I refuse to buy insurance or pay the penalty tax. Meanwhile, Louis Farrakhan will have no such penalty and will have 100% of his health needs paid for by the de facto government insurance. Non-Muslims will be paying a tax to subsidize Muslims. Period. This is Dhimmitude.

Dhimmitude serves two purposes: It enriches the Muslim masters AND serves to drive conversions to Islam. In this case, the incentive to convert to Islam will be taken up by those in the inner-cities as well as the godless Generation X, Y, and Z types who have no moral anchor. If you don’t believe in Christ to begin with, it is no problem whatsoever to sell Him for 30 pieces of silver. “Sure, I’ll be a Muslim if it means free health insurance and no taxes. Where do I sign, bro?”

I recommend sending this post to your contacts. This is extremely important and people need to know about it — quickly!

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66 responses

  1. Hi, Loopyloo;

    Check this out:

    Also, here:

    I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that you are correct, but in this case the facts aren’t quite there. Sorry, I think you’ve been bushwhacked.


    April 12, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    • Thanks for the info! I truly fell down on the job on this one.

      April 12, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    • Dhimmitude may be the Muslim system of controlling non-Muslim populations conquered through jihad, but concerning taxes and paying them in the old times Muhammed and his followers knew what they were supposed to do and recognised what the prophets like Nüh (Noach/Noah), Müsã (Moses) and ‘Isã (Jeshua/Jesus) told the population to follow the rules of their leaders but to put the Law of god before everything. One of those Laws of God was to give the State what it belonged. In the past centuries the Muslims therefore knew that they also had to pay their taxes, which also was already done in the time of Muhammed. We have to be careful not to fall in the trap of anti-Islam bloggers and authors and of the false teachers in Islam who would prefer to preach discord to get people to follow their agenda.

      The Christian world may also not generalise the fundamentalist or take it for granted that all Muslims would think as the rare extreme Islamic groups.

      People should be aware in case they want to live somewhere they shall have to follow the general rules to protect the whole community, believers and non-believers. To secure that everybody’s health shall be taken care of, the whole community has to contribute in solidarity. In case they shall not have to make use of it in their life, they should praise themselves happy, and thank God for it. Than they they should be pleased that they could help some less fortunate people.

      As a community we should take care of those less fortunate. Everybody can have bad luck. For all it has to be provided that there is a safety net, in case something bad happens. Bad luck lays in a small corner.

      July 24, 2012 at 6:09 am

      • It is not the paying of taxes that is the problem so much as the exceptions made based on religion. All religions should have freedoms according to our Constitution and the point of the post was that it seemed certain religions were being exempted for their beliefs and other religions were being forced to go against their morals.
        Although I agree taxes are needed, the way this bill was passed was repugnant and if it is something the people wanted, this was not the way to do it. Also if it was truly something the people wanted their would not have been such an outcry against it. Our form of government is supposed to be representative and quite frankly did not represent us but did what they wished to do instead.
        God bless you and you are so right, as a community we should take care of those, if we let government take this responsibility from us, there is less money and inclination for us to do our own job! A safely net is great until it becomes so large that it ensnares the people it is to help and then there is not enough people to support it. When it collapse there will be nothing but the churches and the community which will have much less resources and time to help. Local people know who really needs help, they are close to the situation.
        Right now our government is actually pushing people onto the rolls and it cannot continue to stand, when it does fall there will be so much loss of life and so many angry people that the very government that is pushing it now, will be hard pressed to control the situation that they are causing. There is always a balance!

        July 24, 2012 at 9:57 am

  2. I find this item strange to say the least from a number of points.

    The first is the most simple – the term Dhimmitude. Though yes “dhimmi” exists, in reality it is a historical term that is not used, not aspired to and not functioning in the modern day. In fact the equivelant of dhimmitude existed by Christian regimes at the same as did jizziya (taxes) and often there was tit-for-tat abuse and taxes of non-believers throughout the middle-ages. The Salt-Tax that often was charged on Jews by Muslims was in fact a creation of Byzantium and Amsterdam had a separate and more higher rater of tax on Jews up and until 1822.

    The modern reference to Dhimmitude is in fact a creation by anti-Islam bloggers and authors and is as much a self-perpetuating myth as the term Eurabia has become.

    The second point was pointed out by the urban legend item above – it is farsical to say the least. The only financial element with Muslims is the usury issue or interest on credit, which has been simply worked out by fixed loans basedd on fees.

    The third item is the very wrong assumption that Farrakhan is a mainstream Muslim. The Nation of Islam is not considered by the rest of the Muslim World (that is all 1.6 Billion of them) as actually being real Muslim and by terminology the only similarity is the word Islam. It loses the real Islam element when they refer to Elizia Mhammed as being a Prophet, which real Muslims would call blasephemy.


    April 12, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    • Thank you for the information!!! Always find your comments insightful and make me look at things in a different way. I don’t know that the article is totally false or partially true. According to the second link that Popgun listed, it does seem that many muslims, along with the Amish and some others could be exempted from the requirement to purchase insurance, and just as a layman, I would think that it would invalidate the claim that this is Constitutional. Do you think that the Healthcare Bill is Constitutional?

      April 12, 2011 at 1:50 pm

  3. I am British so I cannot say that I know the US Constitution and Constitutional Law there expertly (though I have read it and done some study).

    What is important and often forgotten in the heat of political debate is that the Constitution is written in what we call “a wide-raging fashion” which means that interpretation is the key decider. We can add that any Administration would put a huge effort to ensure that they comply to “an interpretation” if not fully to those elements within the Constitution that is valid. In other words, what some way think or “wish” is Constitutional may be open to interpretation and thus if the Supreme Court looks at a Bill and sees that it is within the spirit or within a valid interpretation then they will judge that it is acceptable, Constitutional and thus legal and valid. What happens in your country though (assuming you are American) is that those that challenge find a sympathetic Federal Court Judge to declare it Unconstitutional and thus it goes to the Supreme to be turned and in the mean time there is a lot of political and media fire – which often is the objective in the first place.

    The summary about the Healthcare Bill and the accussations against it, particularly the elements regarding choice and manditory minimum payments as I have seen it is not breaching any Constitutional element, but then as I said, not my domain. I can tell you how the British Social Security legislation is making us broke as a Kingdom though!

    April 13, 2011 at 10:19 am

    • I would respectfully disagree, sir/ma’am. In our country there is the Freedom of choice. The law that they are trying to use to enforce this with is the Interstate Commerce Law, This “Clause”, not really a law has been redefined fairly strictly since New Deal times under Roosevelt, where we once again had a President expanding power and governmental programs. Today it is as follows:
      The Rehnquist Court

      The Rehnquist Court’s Commerce Clause jurisprudence restored limits to the Interstate Commerce Clause that were removed in post-New Deal decisions, based primarily on concerns of federalism and Congress encroaching on the Several States’ Police Powers. It upheld Congress’s plenary authority to legislate in Indian affairs that was derived from the Worcester decision’s interpretation of the Indian Commerce Clause, but modified Worcester by giving the several states some jurisdiction over Indian affairs beyond what had been granted to them by Congress. Another view is that the Court was compelled to define limits to address Congressional legislation which sought to use the Interstate Commerce Clause power in new and unprecedented ways. In United States v. Lopez, the Court confronted conviction of a 12th Grade student for carrying a concealed handgun into school in violation of the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990, 18 U.S.C. § 922(q)(1)(A). The Gun-Free School Zones Act made it a federal offense for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm at a place that individual knows or has reasonable cause to believe is a school zone. The legislation posed several challenging problems for Commerce Clause jurisprudence. Education is a traditionally local government activity, and while education undoubtedly has an economic aspect, the nexus between regulating gun violence and the Commerce Clause power to regulate interstate commerce seems particularly strained. In Wickard v. Filburn, the Court ruled Congress was exercising its Commerce Clause power to regulate local economic activity in ways that the States were powerless to regulate, because only the federal government could effectively control the national wheat supply. The Court reasoned that if Wickard could be applied to acts of gun violence, simply because crime negatively impacted education, Congress might conclude that crime in schools substantially affects commerce, and may be regulated. Under this logic, all police power could be nationalized and local police and criminal courts eliminated on the theory that all crime has an impact on commerce.

      As the majority explained:

      Section 922(q) is a criminal statute that by its terms has nothing to do with “commerce” or any sort of economic enterprise, however broadly one might define those terms. Section 922(q) is not an essential part of a larger regulation of economic activity, in which the regulatory scheme could be undercut unless the intrastate activity were regulated. It cannot, therefore, be sustained under our cases upholding regulations of activities that arise out of or are connected with a commercial transaction, which viewed in the aggregate, substantially affects interstate commerce.

      The opinion pointed out that prior decisions had identified three broad categories of activity that Congress may regulate under its commerce power.

      First, Congress may regulate the use of the channels of interstate commerce;[9]
      Second, Congress is empowered to regulate and protect the instrumentalities of interstate commerce, or persons or things in Interstate Commerce, even though the threat may come only from intrastate activities;[10]
      Finally, Congress’s commerce authority includes the power to regulate those activities having a substantial relation to interstate commerce (i.e., those activities that substantially affect interstate commerce).[11]

      Therefore the mandate to purchase insurance is not something they can regulate with that Clause. And, by making so many exemptions for Union members, religious groups, and other supporters of this administration, they make it discriminatory by all the definitions of discrimination. It has also been argued that if they can tell you to purchase the insurance or face strict fines and jail terms, then they can also regulate any aspect of your life related to your health: food, drink, exercise, and etc. It is soon to go to the SCOTUS. We will have the answer before 2012.

      August 5, 2011 at 4:04 am

      • Thank you for that very good explanation, I agree with you and I am hoping the Supreme Court will as well. Please feel free to always give your reasoning here. It is appreciated!

        August 5, 2011 at 9:51 am

  4. The question of whether the Healthcare Bill is constitutional will be decided soon, I hope. But it seems, on the face of it, that anything that divides groups and says everyone must buy something, except those certain groups, would fail to meet the test. Never has there been a decision in this country that we are forced to buy a product or service. Insurance has always been an option, you had to have it if you owned a car, but you are not required to own a car. By the logic this administration uses, Americans can be forced to buy anything that whatever administration is in control, deems important. If we go down that road, where do we stop? Your British Healthcare System started out as a great idea, and it is always good to help others, but what has been the results? When you force one size fits all on everyone, everyone really winds up with less than they might otherwise had. What is the reasoning to impose something, that there is plenty of evidence that it doesn’t work, on a country and then limit to amount that you are willing to pay for it, all the while adding 30 million more people? It seems as if, instead of fixing the system, this administration is trying to break the system. And it is not just the Healthcare Bill that they are doing this with. More and more many Americans are beginning to question the intentions of the Barack Obama administration. I don’t envy you, I think that you have less choice in your future that we do here, but sooner or later, all bills come due.
    I think that Iceland will fare much better than Ireland, but even Ireland is starting to make hard choices. Too many people have put off making hard decisions all across the world and we are finding ourselves being pushed in the same way that Greece and Portugal have gone. If we let ourselves go that way, we will wind up as a third world country and that is not what most of us want.
    Will you in England change, do you think? I realize with your system of governing it is much harder, but do the people want change?

    April 13, 2011 at 1:53 pm

  5. I actually wonder if it is more difficult to make change in Britain than in the United States. Our political systems are fundamentally different in that we do not have a Constitution as such and the leader of the Government is the leader of the leading party in the Lower Chamber of Parliament. Having said that, if a party has a platform for serious change and is voted in by the people and wins a solid majority in both Chambers then most certainly anything is possible. What stops change here is that regardless of the serious socialist establishment that exists in Britain, the people tend to dislike change for change’s sake and are traditionalist. Add to that the bulk of the migrant community that have become citizens and registered to vote are in fact more right leaning and afraid of change than the original community. Some say because they came to live in a particular Britain and thus change means their goal is lost.

    The European financial crisis is very severe and in fact a great potential problem then your own, simply because we have a financial system that is run by committees representing a number of countries and what is needed (in my opinion) is single-minded strength of purpose. We have our own country, we have the EU and somehow the “bastard-creation” of EU civil servants with their own opinions. As you can guess, I do not like it at all. I live in Gibralta, I tiny British enclave on the bottom of Spain at the entrance to the Mediteranian. We have some special status because of the isolation, we have our own exchange rate for the British Pound and we can trade in Euros and even Moroccan dirhams. Ironically many survive because the economy in Spain is so bad that things become cheaper or we can go to Tangier in Morocco to buy products. It does not make us lucky, it helps us keep afloat. As a barrister (lawyer to you) I have license in both the Spanish and British Courts and I go to the Spanish enclaves in North Africa (Ceuta and Melilia) and for the first time I have accepted payments in “services rendered” meaning the client who is a telephone provider is paying me by giving me Moroccan-based internet services free until the price is made up. I told my wife that next time they will pay me with 5 kilos of oranges and a dozen chickens! That is how bad it is for some here.

    I was born in Gibralta and studied in both London and Edinburgh and am happy to be back home; I like simplicity, tradition and though I travel and enjoy languages I enjoy most of all my being mostly British with a bit of Spanish blood with me to be exciting enough. I do say God Save the Queen and no matter which President, I do get moved when your leader says “God Protect these United States of America”.

    April 14, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    • I do like the way that your PM appears before the house and they are able to question him. I think that it would be good to have something like that here. I think that it would encourage more cooperation it people could argue their case face to face, and both sides were forced to listen to the other.
      I think that the EU might not be able to stand with all the economic upheaval and I feel for the people that are so negatively affected by it. The barter system is a good system that will probably endure forever. When my oldest son was born, the Doctor that delivered him was a old fashioned man that still accepted barter for the services he provided. He way the only Dr. in a large area that delivered babies and was often paid with chickens or fish. At the way the cost of food is going up, 5 kilos of oranges and a dozen chickens might actually be a bonus. It sounds fascinating and challenging at the same time.
      Spain is a place that I have always wanted to visit. I was born and raised in New Mexico and the Spanish influence are still quite strong. When I was a child, we were required to learn Spanish and English both in school, but it has been so long that I have forgotten all but a few words. I do wish that I had retained what I learned back then.

      April 14, 2011 at 2:59 pm

  6. Apryl

    I shared this on Facebook. Thank you for posting this information!

    June 22, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    • Thank you and please come back!

      June 23, 2011 at 2:01 am

  7. I absolutely know that word was not in the healthcare bill and was an internet hoax. Remember, if something is too good to be true. Be careful in the future!
    Or ask me first!!
    The word, btw has more of a connotation of submission and second class status of the unbeliever. It is very interesting, and would be useful to spend a couple minutes to read up on it.
    Best, Bill

    July 7, 2011 at 1:31 am

    • I realize the word itself was not in there, I think that some feel that the concept is there. One thing I do know is that the power it gives the DHS via making rules and regulations is almost unlimited. I prefer power very limited. Too much power invested in one person tends to lead to tyranny. and that is never a good thing. You are right that I should have checked it before I posted it, that is the reason that I added my friends warning and comment in along with the link. I think that it is important to have that reminder there along with the fact that I had a lesson to learn. Thank you for stopping by and taking the time to comment Bill. Please come back. I always like having interesting conversation!

      July 7, 2011 at 10:20 am

  8. I wanted to leave one more comment. I sent the “hooax” out without thinking. I am most familiar with the term Dhimmi. It is not a term of “taxation”, although taxation is included for the “slaves” allowed to live , whether they convert or not–depends on how useful you are to Muslim life or existence. Dhimmi is SLAVE–don’t forget it. I worked in Muslim families’ homes as a Pediatric Nurse Specialist. I’ve always tried to be tolerant of people, no matter where they were from or who they are. In one particular instance (and to some degree in others) I was in no uncertain terms told what my position was. I even learned the term Dhimmi, as I asked questions of the wife and she explained more and more detail of what Muslims believe. I am going to list some of their beliefs, and what they are commanded to do by the Qu’ran. And, whether you call them “moderate” or extremists, she explained that the goal is the same , but by different means and mechanisms. First, the Qu’ran commands them to “conquer, enslave, tax, and convert us”. If unable to convert us, they are to kill us–however, this is where dhimmitude comes in. If we refuse to convert, but are useful or beneficial as slaves because of a certain set of skills, etc., we will be allowed to live in servitude. We rank at goat level as a slave, and lower than that as an un-enslaved infidel. It is also true that they consider the United States the Western Mecca–read up on Mohammad’s taking of Mecca. They believe it is a promised land to them. While working in this particular home and caring for their child with spina bifida, I was told that my clothing was inappropriate, and they called my supervisor to see if she couldn’t make me wear a longish dress, I was wearing standard scrubs. She told them “no”. Within a few days I was told that I was to make some kind of noise or announce my presence before entering any room where the family was, and to “avert my gaze and not to make eye contact”. OK, I thought. I can still do that. Within a week, things are going swimmingly, and I think I have made the best of what could have been a bad situation. So, I watch from the hallway as they prepared the Fast of Ramadan (child’s mother and grandmother). I get a call from the office that afternoon. “They don’t want you to watch them prepare meals”. OK… So, I asked about it when I returned to work the next day. “It is just not something you may do”. Fine. So, I won’t. Geez… The final straw for me was what I call the near International Crisis. They were not at home one day, and I had to feed and medicate the child. 3 hours after I gave meds on time, they arrived and she asked me if said child had been given his meds and feeding. Yes. “You got them out of the refrigerator?” Yes. “You are not supposed to go into the refrigerator!” “It is haram!”. (unlawful-according to the Qu’ran). I was told that I was an infidel and unclean by their laws and that I had basically contaminated their food. Now, I get a call from the office telling me that they are sending a letter to all the nurses involved with the Muslim families, and it will help us cross the cultural gulf. I replied don’t bother. There is no “cultural” gulf. It is a chasm, and culture has nothing to do with it. It is religious and without conversion, impassable. I was told I was unbending. I was told that I didn’t understand them. I said, “No, I understand them quite well, and have begun reading what they believe.” It was then insinuated that I was biased. I told them–“It’s not bias. I don’t have to take the abuse, and I’m not going back.” I am well read regarding the Qu’ran. Peaceful religion my aunt Tilley. Anyone who does not perceive the threat at this point in time, in our own country needs to consider what has happened to every aspect of Christianity, crosses, hollidays, prayer, you name it. But, we can take pork out of school so as not to offend the muslim students? We can put foot baths in the schools (universities) so they can do holy prayer and washing rituals? We can let the young men of middle school and high school age out of classes on Friday to attend Mosque–without absence penalties? I am not biased. I am educated. And, I am sorry to have taken so much of your blog space with this story, but Obama is a Muslim. His jewelry disappears with some convenient excuse every year during Muslim Holy days. During the Fast of Ramadan, his wedding ring is conveniently in the jewelry shop for repairs. How do you damage a ring every year? Whatever. There are religious exclusions in the health care law, but the word dhimmi is not used.

    August 5, 2011 at 5:00 am

    • It is amazing the lengths people will go to. It sound as if your experience was enlightening to say the least. I wish that more people would read and understand what is going on. Thank you for sharing what you went through and please feel free to use all the space you need. You are always welcome and I enjoy reading other people experiences. I have the feeling that we are in big trouble!

      August 5, 2011 at 9:56 am

    • chrishamric

      Thank you for your insight. I appreciate your sharing (in valuable detail) what you experienced, and for your final conclusions. In particular as it regards our president. This is certainly worth sharing widely.

      August 27, 2011 at 8:09 pm

      • You are most welcome. I appreciate you taking the time to comment.

        August 27, 2011 at 8:34 pm

  9. Cora Woillard

    I checked it out on the Health Care was not on page 107, however I did not check out other pages.

    August 17, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    • Thank you Cora!

      August 17, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    • chrishamric

      You saved me from having to check it out personally, which I thought I was going to have to do! Thank you.

      August 27, 2011 at 8:11 pm

      • I am glad the information helped you and you are most welcome, please do come by again!

        August 27, 2011 at 8:35 pm

  10. Thank you to all the writer’s of these informative comments. The most revealing is the comment curious about president Obama’s agenda. “It seems as if, instead of fixing the system, this administration is trying to break the system. And it is not just the Healthcare Bill that they are doing this with. More and more, many Americans are beginning to question the intentions of the Obama administration.” This election will be totally connected to facts, not fiction. “There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting Ignorance–that principle is contempt prior to investigation.” -Herbert Spencer-
    I see a whole new electorate in 2012. Last election some people played with fire and got burned. That’s all. Be careful and have a nice day.

    September 6, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    • I hope you are right about a whole new electorate in 2012. Thank you for the comment Robert!

      September 6, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    • The Muslim women I know well, the majority of them do not want to go wiuhtot their Burqas they don’t feel they are oppressive, and are very strongly attached to the religious symbolism of them. They also appreciate the modesty allowed by wearing burqas and hijabs, and tend to be uncomfortable and embarassed out of them. There are those who are more modernized typically the 20-somethings that would prefer not to wear them all the time, and don’t actually wear them all the time but, for the most part, the women I know prefer to keep their burqas.

      January 6, 2013 at 1:00 pm

  11. a12iggymom

    Good article though the minute I see Snopes used, I cringe, knowing they are an extreme left wing organization funded, in part, by G.Soros. I give them the same legitimacy to them as Obama’s That said, I checked at ( and they agree. “The Truth:
    There is a provision for a religious conscience exemption in the HR-3590 health care bill that was signed into law by President Obama but there is no Muslim restriction against the purchase of health insurance.”
    That said, however, if you are of a religious faith and trying to get out of this mandate, do you think you will have an easier time doing it as a moslum with CAIR backing? Just because the words aren’t there doesn’t mean anything really, I am sure the order is out to shove through any and all moslums applying. I’d like to hear from anyone in the industry with insight on it. Great web site too, BTW!

    January 5, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    • I am glad to know that I am not the only one that distrusts snopes and thinks that it is left wing. Thanks for adding the link to Truth or Fiction.
      I can very easily see the Obama administration denying Christian org, they did that just the other day to a Catholic University for one reason or another, saying that they were not Christian enough to qualify. I guess they think that they are the ones who are qualified to make the judgement as to who is Christian and who is not. This is a very scary place that we are in right now and I expect it will get much worse as long as Obama is in power!
      I am glad you like the blog, thank you and God bless!

      January 5, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    • Well now, hold on a second. If you consider Snopes biased, but you trust TruthorFiction, then what do you make of this article at TruthorFiction?

      April 13, 2012 at 7:35 pm

      • I I think that they are both biased, I do not trust either one. You must make up your own mind as to which you would rather believe. How about just looking at who has told you the truth and who hasn’t and pray over it. God bless!

        April 13, 2012 at 7:56 pm

  12. muchloveblog

    Thank you for the information, it was very informative. I’m posting on facebook, I have 2 pages there, Internet Bible Study and Can we find 5 million Christians who Love Jesus. They total 5000 fans. Oh, and I have about a 1000 personal fans so that’s about 6000 people who will be informed. Much love…

    February 19, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    • Thank you and God bless

      February 19, 2012 at 6:44 pm

  13. Seems to me, what the Prez says (and what the Constitution says) aren;t much of a clue toward what the Prez DOES. So, given that, listening to him or assuming the Constitution difines things today are both wasted efforts…

    Our rulers seem to have decided that we’re now in a post-Christian and (sotto voce) post-Constitutional society…

    February 20, 2012 at 4:50 am

    • I think that you are absolutely right, and I wonder why anybody still believes anything that he says.God bless you and thank you!

      February 20, 2012 at 12:26 pm

  14. Hey loopyloo thanx for the like on my post. Interesting post hear, will look it up some more thanx.

    March 6, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    • Thank you and God bless!

      March 6, 2012 at 8:42 pm

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  16. I will probably click the like button, but I am painfully aware of what the word means, and I don’t like it at all. In Islamic teachings they too look for a man named Jesus to come. We of Christianity call him the false prophet. The Islamic version will be a Jew, turned Muslim, a high priest of the Aaronic lineage, and the enforcer of Sharia law globally. It is said that he will do away with the Jizhya tax, this is the dhimmitude of which you speak. And why will he do away with it? Because he demand that you either be a muslim or die. Fairly plain and straight forward.
    I don’t of many that want to hear that, but yet they whine about not understanding end times or their bibles.
    I am honored that you opted to follow me.
    God bless
    Find this book – The Islamic AntiChrist, by Joel Richardson. It will open your eyes, and things will become clearer.

    April 6, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    • You are right I believe, but I also believe that these things must come to pass in order for the return of the Messiah. We are promised that the time that this lasts will be short, and God keeps His promises.
      Thank you for the information on the book, I will look it up.
      You are most welcome for the follow. God bless, Patricia

      April 7, 2012 at 12:11 am

  17. wdednh

    Wow, Awesome, it took me 1/2 an hour to get to this. Wow! Please adopt me :))
    all kiding asid excellent post.

    April 17, 2012 at 4:01 am

    • LOL Anthony, consider yourself adopted! God bless you!

      April 17, 2012 at 10:34 am

  18. I would to point out that the “liberals” always claim that Christians are spreading false rumours about this or that. So-called “fact checkers” are often folks whose agenda it is to try and discredit conservatives and Christians who are alarmend about certain Leftist political policies. For instance, they claimed that promotion of abortion and birth control were not in Obamacare. We all know now that pro-family groups who warned about it were right. For accurate information on this and other issues see Phyllis Schlafly’s articles on the Eagle Forum web-site:
    Concerned Christians ought to check their facts, but don’t believe the so-called “urban legends” & “fact-checker” web sites just because they claim it isn’t so. See for trustworthy journalism also.

    May 3, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    • Thank you for the links and you are right. Whether the words are in the bill or not, I am sure that this administration will find some way to accommodate the Muslim way. It is a pattern or their to deny and then go behind everyone’s back and approve. I hate to be so cynical but I have never seen people so untrustworthy. God bless you!

      May 3, 2012 at 2:29 pm

  19. Reblogged this on theconservativehillbilly.

    May 9, 2012 at 6:25 pm

    • Thank you for the reblog my friend, God bless!

      May 9, 2012 at 7:19 pm

  20. Thanks for following me and liking my page! God bless you, and you have quite an informative and lovely website yourself! :-)

    June 29, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    • You are most welcome, Pastor Davis introduced your site to me! God bless you, you have quite a lovely site as well and thank you!

      June 29, 2012 at 5:31 pm

  21. Anonymous

    Just out of curiosity.. did you actually look at page 107 of the Health Care bill made by Obama?? I didn’t see that word ANYWHERE and while yes, the word does exist and it is a real word.. It does NOT exist anywhere in the bill… do some research before you post things…. :(

    July 9, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    • Thank you for your comment, little evil kitty, we do not accept an anonymous posting here so the next time, leave your name or find yourself deleted.
      Research!! Now that is a funny thing, obviously you didn’t really read this post, perhaps you should try again and then come back. Did you read any of the health care bill? If you did I commend you, it seems that is more than our congress people did. Now back to the post, read it, read the comments back and forth and then come back if you have a real objection. Even the title has a question mark in it and it asks if it is fact or fiction. I do let people make up their own minds about it, that is the objective way don’t you think!

      July 9, 2012 at 10:32 pm

  22. Loopyloo305, thanks for correcting your previous mistake about dhimmitude being in the ACA (it is not and never was.) However, how could anyone just pass on something like that, and not check it first *every time* it is of any significance? Don’t you know, spreaders of false rumors *depend on* careless/gullible people just taking their word for it? Proper post QA isn’t even hard anymore, with the ease of hopping over to Snopes, Urban Legends page, PolitiFact,, etc. At least I am sure you learned a lesson here.

    “Fine minds make find distinctions.”

    July 24, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    • Thank you for the comment Neil, write it up to trusting the source and a personal failure. God bless you!

      July 24, 2012 at 6:07 pm

  23. PS: I like that winking cat with the rose in her mouth. God bless.

    July 24, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    • Thank you Neil, I like it too!

      July 24, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    • I know about fear, and like pain, it comes in two varieties. Real fear, as Selvinskiy dbecriess, like a stone in your chest. And panic, like what I’ve been experiencing for the last few days and which crescendoed last night. I’m not sweating blood, in part because the rational part of me knows that this is going to be okay, and in part because I am finding grace to help in time of need. I guess that grace is fueling the rationality.

      January 13, 2013 at 6:23 pm

  24. Anonymous

    I wasn’t able to find the the reference to Dhimmitude but what I did find is how the law determines religious exemption. basically it uses the tax law already in place Internal Revenue Code Section 1402(g)(1) that states in short that any member of a religious sect apposed to any and all insurance is exempt from this law, as well as paying for medicare and I believe social security. So if a Muslim sect is apposed to any and all insurance it would be exempt, as would its members.

    August 7, 2012 at 2:59 am

    • Thank you for the information and God bless you!

      August 7, 2012 at 9:47 am

  25. Dagney

    It is time to move beyond asking Democrats whether something is true or not and taking their word as Gospel. The Snopes and Urban Legends websites are both partisan leftist organizations. Can you seriously mean to use them as the definitive word in authentication of facts? The FACT that matters here is, whether or not Obama used the word, the Obamacare bill allows for this “religious” exemption and the word dhimmitude describes this situation. You have lost all credibility as an authority or even an intelligent voice.

    September 5, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    • Personally I do not trust either. The post is listed as a question with people free to make their own decision. God bless you!

      September 7, 2012 at 8:18 pm

  26. Thanks for passing by.

    September 14, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    • You are most welcome and God bless you!

      September 14, 2012 at 5:12 pm

  27. I don’t have a website, I am just a uninformed person that receives many political emails,the majority slamming Obama. I attempt to inquire about their truthfulness before I forward any. I failed to realize there were so many search engines and conflicting answers. Thank you for all your comments, I enjoyed all the discussions and feel more knowledgeable.

    September 30, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    • You are most welcome and God bless you Donna!

      September 30, 2012 at 10:44 pm

  28. mom sent me this so I posted it! I knew you would really, really like this one! God bless you sis!

    October 1, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    • Thanks Lyn, God bless you!

      October 1, 2012 at 5:18 pm

  29. Today, I went to the beachfront with my children.
    I found a sea shell and gave it to my 4 year old daughter and said “You can hear the ocean if you put this to your ear.” She placed the shell to her ear and
    screamed. There was a hermit crab inside and it pinched her ear.
    She never wants to go back! LoL I know this is totally off topic but I had to
    tell someone!

    January 1, 2013 at 6:52 am


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